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Make SQL Data Easier to Merge (Static Data)

Currently, SQL Data files contain a bunch of insert statements, but the order of the insert statements can be inconsistent. For example, new records might get inserted on the top or the bottom. Also, multiple SET IDENTITYINSERT statements sometimes get created. This makes it difficuly to merge data changes between multiple branches in TFS Source Control. If the Insert statements had a consistent order and only included one SET IDENTITYINSERT diffs and merges would be easier.

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Thanks for this suggestion and for the many comments and upvotes. I realize that this is a pain point.

I have a few shorter-term workarounds to summarize as well as some information on the longer roadmap in this update. I know these shorter-term workarounds aren’t perfect (I summarize the pros and cons), but I’m posting them as they may help a few folks.

Workaround 1) When data changes to static data need to be made, use a “relink the table” pattern
One can “cleanly rescript” a static data table in SQL Source Control by:

  • Unlinking the static data table
  • Committing
  • Relinking the static data table
  • Committing

Pro: This works with the GUI and requires no special knowledge or comfort with TSQL. This may help folks with just a few static data tables.
Con: This requires extra steps and results in extra commits in the history, which I realize can be annoying, particularly if the team doesn’t squash commit history when merging or do similar things.

Workaround 2) Use a post-deployment script to manage static data tables instead of linking them
Another option is to not use the “link static data tables” feature at all, and instead manage the static data table yourself with a custom script.

I’ve added a code sample called “post-deployment script to manage static data for a table with an identity column” into our reference on post-deployment scripts: https://documentation.red-gate.com/soc7/common-tasks/working-with-pre-post-deployment-scripts/static-data

Pro: This gives you complete control over the TSQL.

Con: Your post-deployment script might become quite complex and create its own issue in merge conflicts, depending on how many static data tables you have and whether you are using the post-deployment script for other things.

An alternate approach using SQL Change Automation
If customers have licenses for SQL Change Automation, the SCA Migrations approach does not have this issue and has additional features for flexibility with static data:

  • Since migrations only script out the data which has changed, this scripting issue of the entire table doesn’t occur in SCA – it only ever needs to generate commands for what has been modified since the last migration
  • Supports column filtered static data tables in the SCA plugin in SSMS
  • Supports multiple post-deployment scripts, in case there is a preference to manage static data tables in dedicated post-deployment scripts
  • Allows approaches like bulk loading larger static data tables by supporting SQLCMD variables in migration and post-deployment scripts

If there are other use cases where a migrations approach would add value to the team – such as easily being able to run data modification statements as part of deployments, or being able to customize the TSQL for schema changes – then changing from SQL Source Control to SQL Change Automation might make sense.

Roadmap
I’ve chatted with our engineering teams and Redgate does have the desire to better support this scenario longer term. This is not a “quick fix” scenario and will likely require a rethinking of the way static data is managed within the tool.

While the “rethinking” bit of this has begun, we don’t specifically have this on the SQL Source Control roadmap (https://www.red-gate.com/products/sql-development/sql-source-control/roadmap) at this point. We do have improved support for use with Git feature branches as a future candidate on the roadmap, and we do know from research with many customers that static data is quite important to folks. While I can’t make any promises, I think we are likely to be able to offer an improvement in this area.

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  • Gregory Kemp commented  ·   ·  Report

    Please please please please fix this!! I'm so tired of simple changes causing merge hell because of pointless row re-ordering!! I'll be bald soon if you don't fix it... Should be a very simple fix. If it was open source, many users could have probably put in a quick fix. It's literally the worst thing about SQL Source Control!

    Should just order by primary key, with no re-ordering based on what change was made. That would be the obvious design choice.

    Just noticed, even Steve Jones (who works for you) has a comment here complaining about it! Come on guys.

  • Peter Colbourne commented  ·   ·  Report

    Any movement on this? Been using Data Compare regularly and I'd classify this as a serious bug that can lead to data being overwritten and lost in a multi-dev environment. Even for personal use the re-ordering makes it very hard to maintain your sanity. Have started looking into alternative solutions.

  • Neil Pugh commented  ·   ·  Report

    Add an option that allows the user to select the column to order the generated INSERT statement by on the link/unlink table view. Maybe I'm being naïve but is there anymore to it than that?

    I would say it's less than 11 years of development!

  • Brian Meyers commented  ·   ·  Report

    It is CRAZY that this hasn't been fixed. I have been a long time customer. But I am going to have to start looking at other options.

    This makes trying to figure out who made data changes, and when, nearly impossible.

  • Dan O'Connor commented  ·   ·  Report

    I've just had to create tables in a temp database then join them and compare every column in a big WHERE just to do a code-review. The diffs resulting from SQL Source Control data-changes are realistically unusable for validating changes.

  • Tomasz commented  ·   ·  Report

    Sometimes when we are committing data to our source control, the contents of the file changes not just in places where data have changed, but also data rows that have not been modified are put by SQL Compare in different places. Sometimes there is a lot of reordered rows, making it difficult to review the changes. How can we make SQL Compare not reorder rows to avoid this problem? Thank you! […]

    Thank you for your response! I suspected that the effect I observe is
    probably considered a solution to a performance issue. I will note
    though that from my point of view, you are optimizing the wrong thing:
    computer time vs. human time. We would gladly wait few seconds, maybe
    even minutes more, in order to have clean review in which human does not
    have to spend minutes to look for actual changes.

  • Wolfgang Reh commented  ·   ·  Report

    I agree. This needs to be part of the software. How can you every use a *_Data.sql file with any kind of source control system when the order or the rows is not consistent. In the meantime I have to sort the data files manually which only works if the primary key is in the first column(s)

  • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Report

    The lack of improvement in this area makes merging of static data a complete nightmare! A recent merge took 7 days primarily due to data merge issues, when the code part was a few hours!!

    I think the compare key should also be highlighted somehow, perhaps in a block comment BEFORE the INSERT statement, so that it is used for matching rows (can create a regex for that in beyond compare)

    THis has got to be fixed before I find some alternative tooling to make branch merges take a sensible time.

  • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Report

    Redgate, you must be kidding! Please get your priorities straight on this one!
    This is not a feature request. This is one solid bug that makes this product pretty much useless!

    How can you possibly switch the order of records between left and right side and expect to get any kind of useful comparison result??

    Just to make sure you really understand the implications of this: My coworker and I are working in a Shared DB setup and while my SQL Source Control reports the static data table as unchanged, her SQL Source Control does flag it as changed because hers is exporting the records for the exact same table in a different order than mine!

    Please treat this as the critical bug that it really is and get it fixed!

    I can not believe that you have been kicking this can down the road for 2 years now...

  • Ed Morris commented  ·   ·  Report

    PLEASE DO THIS NOW!!! Merges are a nightmare in the db mostly due to this non-sense of not ordering by key.

  • Tony Mudd commented  ·   ·  Report

    This feature would reduce the chances of conflict and make manually checking the changes much easier.

  • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Report

    Today is the 7th anniversary of the creation of this feature request.

    Red Gate Product Management, given the number votes for this enhancement, it deserves a response of some kind. Preferably a commitment to get this on the product roadmap. If not, then an explanation as to why it's not simple to implement.

  • SC commented  ·   ·  Report

    With over 400 votes I can't understand why this hasn't been looked at yet?

    Ordering by the primary key would be fairly simple and it would help a lot. We have some tables with thousands of records in that we check in using SQL Source Control and we have a lot of problems without this feature.

  • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Report

    Wondering if the reason this issue is being ignored is because of the subjective title "Make SQL Data Easier to Merge". Perhaps it would get more attention if we change it to "Maintain Data Files Sorted by Primary Keys"

  • Kevin Seitz commented  ·   ·  Report

    Six years later, still nothing? Meanwhile, my source control SQL files look like they're being maintained by a 5 year old.

  • Anonymous commented  ·   ·  Report

    This would be tremendously useful feature to improve source code merge process.

  • Dean Martens commented  ·   ·  Report

    This must be such an easy option to add. It's causing me and the rest of your users a huge headache. Please fix it. It think it has sufficient votes. Add it as an option so it's backwards compatible if you like but our code reviews are a mess because of this default behavior.

  • Steve Jones commented  ·   ·  Report

    When storing the data items in files, it would be good to keep everything in PK order so that changes are easier to spot. Historical order is less important when working with static data.

  • SC commented  ·   ·  Report

    Even if RedGate don't implement a merge function (which is desperately needed), just sorting the values in primary key order when sending scripts to TFS would be hugely helpful!

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